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Shelli Moon posted a new Legal Issues thread on 9/23/2009

Website Copying

Hi...I hope I can get some advice here.

I have an online retail site that is fairly successful in my specific field. I recently discovered that someone has started copying my products. They have the same options, just with different titles of a couple of my product lines, and have taken my methods as well (two specific methods were exclusive to me). They have copied large portions of my text, rewording parts, but obviously stolen directly from me--product descriptions, shipping options, etc. There is even one part where they forgot to change my item titles to their titles (for instance, is I call mine Annie's Style, and they called their Lucy's style, in this particular description they left it as Annie's and forgot to change it to Lucy's).

The kicker is, they took a version of my domain name. It would be like if my site was theschool.com, they took school.com and use it as a redirect to their site. My name is well known in the community I service, as its been around since 2004 (I took over the site in 2008), so it is potentially a big confusion factor for clients.

I'm worried about what steps I need to go through, and have done nothing yet. This couple that did this own their own website business, and host their own clients, so I can't go to the web host to have them shut down, and I don't feel a nice "please stop' letter will work (they know exactly what they are doing with taking my name).

Please give any advice you can! Tnx
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Toni Shortsleeve Responded on 9/23/2009


Hi Shelli,
I'm so sorry that you are going through this! My previous partner has done something similar with our name and marketing materials. My clients don't know what to think and I am having to totally revamp our marketing (my new brochures look better!). Please let me know how it turns out, I am interested in finding answers as well.

Aloha,
Toni
 
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Devin Morgan Responded on 11/9/2009


You need to talk to an attorney who handles copyright and other intellectual property and internet law matters. Much of what you describe is protected by copyright and it sounds like you have some good evidence of copying. A forceful Cease & Desist letter from an attorney should get their attention. But, if they are intentionally ripping you off, you may need to be prepared to consider a lawsuit or some other way to force them into resolving the dispute.

As with any such action, you need to work out a quantifiable sense of what the damage to your business is and have a budget in mind for putting a stop to it. That will make working with an attorney easier. Note that most attorneys are much better at telling you what you can do than what you should do (particularly when it comes to managing return on investment for legal actions).
 
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Toni Shortsleeve Responded on 11/10/2009


So, how do we find the good and ethical attorneys who will act in the best interest of our company? I thought that I had one, but was apparently wrong.
 
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Chris Silvey Responded on 11/10/2009


Hi Shelli, Sorry to hear of your situation. I would document their site, everyday. Get a screen shot of the site as well as view source screen shots. That way even if they change a few names, they cannot say the html is theirs. Every html page is different in one way or the other. That would be like me trying to pass off Windows 7 pro as my own.
 
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Devin Morgan Responded on 11/10/2009


Hi Toni. Attorneys are people, nothing more and nothing less. We are also businesses who sell our advice and other services at premium rates. Ideally, every attorney (like every business person) should be honest, ethical, and focused solely on delivering value for our clients. But the reality is that we are subject to distraction, mistake, burnout, and "response to economic incentives". Truth be told, many of us are great at substantive legal work, but not very good at managing our businesses or providing customer service. But I digress...

Finding a good attorney is difficult. They are like any other supplier. You need to evaluate them for competence, price, and fit with your business and personality. They are more difficult than most suppliers because:

1) It is unlikely you understand everything they do, so how do you know if they are good?
2) Much of what they do is risk management and unique issues, so there is no good measurement for value delivered.
3) They are expensive and burdensome to deal with, so you can't really try before you buy and the switching costs are high.
4) Good ones are specialists, so you can't really find one to do it all.
5) Ideally, you would like at least one that is a trusted advisor to your business and can be your sounding board and General Counsel, but that can be difficult when they charge by the minute.

Your best bet is to start with you network, use well defined projects and budgets, and manage the relationship.
 
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Devin Morgan Responded on 11/10/2009


Chris provides great advice. Document what they are doing. I'm not sure I would worry about it daily, but certainly get as complete a copy as you can now and check back periodically for changes.
 
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Toni Shortsleeve Responded on 11/11/2009


Thank you Devin. The sad fact is that this attorney did come from an original network group contact....
 
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Devin Morgan Responded on 11/12/2009


I've actually heard a number of horror stories now about service providers from referrals through people's networks. It's the best place I can think of to start, but it still isn't ideal and some people use referrals to avoid the legwork of actually vetting the service provider. In the end, I think managing the relationship is probably more important than selection. You could analogize to hiring personnel. Yes, you need to do your best to find good people, but you still need to clearly define their role and manage them to turn them into an asset for your business. In the end, it is only through working with people that you really learn who they are, how to get their best, and whether they fit with your organization. Interviews and reference checks only get you so far. Again, this is difficult with attorneys because the needs may be infrequent and the costs high. And even if you do everything right in selection and management, there are still going to be relationships that fail. I wish I had a better solution.
 
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Toni Shortsleeve Responded on 11/14/2009


Thanks anyway Devin, I appreciate your insight.
 
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